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Wake Up, America: The Biggest Story of 2011

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Scott Raynovich
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Scott Raynovich   12/26/2011 5:46:17 PM
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Did anybody see the Ray Dialo interview on Bloomberg. He pointed out some very interesting things -- mainly, that we need to grapple with the "truth," and that few politicians in Washington want to do that.

He also pointed out that a quite modest compromise on budget scenarios would have immensely beneficial effects. He compared it to a household trying to tighten the budget. What do you try to do? You try to cut a little bit and you try to add a little revenue. I believe his numbers were 3% on both side.

If you think in terms of solving the problems by trying to cut 3% of spending and raising revenue 3%, it doesn't sound that bad. In fact, some sort of compromise like this would seem to be quite easy. Yet Congress can't seem to get it done.

I really don't know "whose fault" it is since it a a general abdication of responsibility on both sides of the aisle.

Here is that interview:

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/78463362/

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Street Smart   12/26/2011 5:09:03 PM
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I really think it's interesting that both the Tea Party and Occupy movements were originally media creations, but the Tea Party has developed financial and political traction and the Occupy movement has not.

I don't think that's a function of populism--in fact the exact opposite.  The Tea Party isn't a populist movement at all--it's the 1% philosophical fringe of the Republican party. It's the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch, which just about rounds to 0% of America.  

Yet, people believe so strongly in the myth of opportunity in our country that they'd rather join forces with the philosophy of their oppressors than admit to being in the "permanent underclass" and getting the help they need.

 

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Fred Goodman   12/25/2011 12:21:48 AM
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"In other words the tea party played chicken with the country."

Do you remember when Nancy Pelosi famously said:

"We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it"


Well, in my long lifetime that was the absolute bottom of anything Congress has done. If the reaction to that type of governing produced the Tea Party then perhaps future congresses will have learned something. If not, you can expect more people will join.

Ted Faraone
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Ted Faraone   12/24/2011 11:23:23 PM
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A little more of Marvin's column:

"Why not play kick the can down the road? Save the Republic for two or six months at a time, rather than allowing us to focus on other serious problems like fixing the financial or other infrastructures that need attention. Let the country hang by the thumbs!

"Forget that old our country right or wrong. We have the country in a Double Nelson. And it better cry "Uncle Sam."

In other words the Tea Party played chicken with the country.

That's my objection to them.

As for the Occupy crowd, I can understand their frustration, but I think they are silly people making fools of themselves.  Given the poor level of economic knowledge by the American people, the Occupy folks could become as dangerous as the Tea Party.

I hope this adresses your questions and comments. Fred. Happy Holidays!

Fred Goodman
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Fred Goodman   12/24/2011 7:10:17 PM
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No, Marvin said:

"This is not to say the Tea Party did not have help: fellow travelers in the Republican Party and the unwitting dupes in the Democratic Party, who have been like deer in the headlights during the power grab. The President himself bent so far backward compromising that he could win the limbo dance contest."

And yet you only want to tar and feather the Tea Party and let the rest of the Republican Party, the unwitting dupes in the Democratic Paty and the President himself to get off scott free.

Personally, I would like to clear the deck and start over. Oh, and by the way, how do you feel about the Occupy Wall Street crowd?

Ted Faraone
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Ted Faraone   12/24/2011 5:16:57 PM
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Marvin said it all.

Fred Goodman
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Fred Goodman   12/24/2011 4:08:20 PM
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Hi Ted,

Why should the Tea Party people be tarred and feathered? What is their offense? Please be more specific.

Ted Faraone
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Ted Faraone   12/24/2011 3:42:11 PM
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Marvin,

This one is your best yet!  These Tea Party guys need to be tarred and feathered.

Ted.

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Broadway   12/23/2011 9:21:39 PM
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Well, let's be honest. There is constructive criticism or criticism based on reality at least ... and then there is destructive vitriol and hate speech based on irrationality or partisan subversion verging on treason. Much of the attacks on the president seem to be the latter, at least destructive vitriol. I wasn't a fan of W, but I'll admit some of the attacks on him were the latter kind -- eg, calling him a fascist -- as were much of the attacks on Clinton.

In some histories I've read, incidentally, much of the extreme partisanship and ends-justifies-the-mean politics that we see today is tied back to the House in the 80s, when a group of Young Turk Republicans red-baited and attacked their enemies without mercy. The leader of that group? None other than Newt.

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Bargain Bin   12/23/2011 3:21:58 PM
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The country should have faith in a man's ability to carry out the duties of the presidential office before electing him to said office. The president should certainly be respected, but respect doesn't put him above criticism. I think a large part of what's wrong with certain aspects of our society is that criticism is often construed as "hating" and then promptly dismissed, instead of being taken into consideration and used for improvement.  

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